After my excursion to Al's #1 Beef, I knew I had to make an Italian beef at home. But it was more of a challenge than a necessity. I could easily buy another sandwich for cheap. I just become obsessed with the idea of turning a lowly and lean cut into something so delicious. I thought I had most the particulars of this soggy sandwich down: lean beef, giardiniera, and an Italian roll. But I was real worried about the "dip" or the juice that the beef hung out in and what the whole sandwich was eventually dunked into. It's a very important component.
The recipes I found only worried me more. If there wasn't beef stock, there was a beef bouillon cube. It felt like cheating. I wanted my humble cut of beef to provide all the flavor, but I didn't want to sacrifice the beef for the juice. Many recipes advocated crock pots and long simmers that would have made a nice liquid but would have definitely cooked the beef way past medium-rare. The texture would have been more like pulled beef than a rare roast like I wanted. I found a very helpful site that started the roast at a high temperature and then reduced the heat dramatically. But they also cooked the meat on a wire rack above the water. I worried about all that steam.
I wanted as much juice to remain in the beef as possible to keep it tender. But it had at least come in contact with water at some point. Eventually I found this recipe in Saveur, which looked like a great compromise between the two methods. Like the other site, the key was to roast the beef at a high temperature at first, then reduce it dramatically. But for this recipe the water was added only after the heat was turned down. So I'd get some nice caramelization, but still be able to control the temperature of the meat. I was shooting for 130 degrees. Though I worried the juice might taste too watery and not beefy enough, I eventually settled on this recipe, figuring I could mess with the juice after the meat was done.
The other issue I had to face was how to cut the meat. As I remembered from my visit to Al's #1, the beef should be shaved as thinly as possible. Al's used an huge deli slicer, which I obviously didn't have. Saveur recommended just tossing the meat in the freezer for 2 hours before serving and then slicing it as thinly as possible with a chef's knife. Some recipes recommended taking the cooked meat to a deli and having them slice it for you. But I figured I'd give the freezer method a try first.
I made the meat, then let it and the juice cool down on the counter for an hour before stashing them both in the fridge. The next day I stuck the beef in the freezer for 2 hours before lunch. I heated the juice back up on the stove and set about trying to cut the meat as thinly as humanly possible. It was surprisingly easy. The key is to slice slowly, and to always angle the knife away from the center of the meat. Though not as thin as Al's, if you take your time it should be close. If I cut any large chunks I'd set them aside and pull them apart with my fingers to get them roughly the size that I wanted.
I reheated the slices in the juice for only two minutes. Then I stuffed it all in a bun, topped it with giardiniera (my homemade version failed, so I used a store bought brand). I was so worried that the meat would be tough and the liquid too watery that I nearly lost it when I took a bite. The sandwich was absurdly tender and juicy, and while the liquid wasn't quite perfect, it still hit all the right notes. It was awfully close.
And it got better. The next day I reduced the sauce a little more and added a little grated nutmeg. Michael Nagrant pointed out this addition in a post on Serious Eats about Al's #1 and he's completely right. It really adds to the aroma.
This sandwich is dangerously good. I've had four in the past 2 days. I eventually just stashed the rest of the meat in the freezer so I wouldn't be tempted to eat Italian beefs for four consecutive days. Which is a little bit of an issue. I certainly got my money's worth. The meat was insanely cheap, and so were the giardiniera, and buns. The total cost was around 15 bucks, which has produced 5 sandwiches so far. The only problem is that there is more meat than two people should eat. This kind of project is best for parties. Which, come to think about it, probably why the sandwich was invented in the first place. Just be sure to have lots of napkins.
Homemade Italian Beef
- 2 1/2 pounds beef round or beef sirloin tip roast
- 1/2 tablespoon crushed red pepper flakes
- 2 teaspoons dried basil
- 2 teaspoons dried oregano
- 3 cloves garlic, minced
- 8 Italian rolls
- pinch grated nutmeg
- 1 quart water
- Bottle of giardiniera
- salt and pepper
Preheat the oven to 450 degrees. Mix together the red pepper flakes, basil, oregano, garlic, and a pinch of salt and pepper.
Rub half of this mixture on top of the meat. Set the meat in a large roasting pan and set in the oven. Roast for 20 minutes, then reduce the heat to 250 degrees. Cook for another 20 minutes.
After the 20 minutes, add the rest of the spice mixture to the quart of water. Pour this into the roasting pan. Cook for another 30 to 45 minutes, or until the temperature of the middle of the roast is 130 degrees.
Remove the meat and set aside to cool. Set the roasting pan on some burners and turn the heat to medium high. Scrape up any bits that have stuck on the bottom. Reduce mixture slightly for a few minutes. Then turn off the heat and let the mixture cool.
Cover the meat and place the juice in a container and then stash them in the fridge and let them hang out overnight or a day.
Before you want to eat, transfer the meat to the freezer for 2 hours.
Slice the meat as thinly as possible.
Warm the liquid in a pot. Add the grated nutmeg. Reduce the mixture if it is too watery. Then dump a handful of the sliced meat into the juice and cook for 2 minutes.
With a pair of tongs, transfer the meat straight from the pot to the Italian rolls. Top with the giardiniera. Dip the sandwich in the juice if you want to. Or you can pour a little more of the sauce on top of the meat.





















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Wow! This looks phenomenal! Thanks for sharing the recipe, pictures, and your success… I think I've got a new experiment for next weekend…
Awesome! Definitely making this at the weekend … Thanks for sharing and inspiring!
This blog post may very well change my life. I don't know how to start thanking you for replicating Al's beef sandwich. Mr. B is going to be a VERY happy man. Do you take donations?
Phoo-D
Wow – you go from trying it for the first time to making your own – very impressive. It looks really good!
Excellent – I just ordered 2 top round roasts from my farmer to ensure extra corned beef, but now I know what I'll be doing with the second roast. Thanks for the inspiration!
This gets better and better. I need to pass this recipe on like a hotcake. My friends will be swooning. This is a great way to feed a boatload of people. Or a small country. Or a really fat person (ahhh… obesity).
I am bookmarking this for realz. I love these types of recipes. In fact, I really like most of all your content and recipe selection. So hearty. Soulful. I think it is a great contribution. I will work towards this.
Fan for sure.
Wow, yum! I've never had one of these and am so tempted. Especially because it's affordable.
This is just a quick note. I recently had an Italian beef from a stand around my apartment because I couldn't make the trek all the way down to Al's. It was surprisingly mediocre. I can see why a lot of people don't care for the sandwich. The biggest thing I noticed is that they over cooked their beef. It was like thinly sliced pot roast. It had obviously been cooked way past 150 degrees. The meat was tough and dry. It wasn't awful, but not good enough.
Cooking this roast to 130 ensures the meat is still tender and leads to a sandwich with a better texture and flavor. I don't think I made that point clear enough in the post.
This is a fascinating sandwich.
Blessings upon thee, Nick, for this post! There are NO Italian Beef places here in San Francisco and this transplanted Midwesterner literally dreams of the stuff. I'm going to give the recipe a shot over the weekend. It will be a labor of tender, juicy love.
I just failed miserably at trying to make my own homemade Italian Beef, so out of desperation, I googled it and found your recipe. Can’t wait to give it a chance. Thanks for the great details.
Thanks for the great write up.
Im a Chicago transplant to the west coast, no good italian beef here…
Found one hotdog place near me that made a good italian beef, but they
closed down…
Tried a variety of ways on my own, but the combo you came
up with is great, and as close to the midwest I can re-create.
3 cheers for good italian beef.
This is making my mouth water just thinking about it. Going to try very soon
you forgot one inportant item while slow roasting the beef toss in a couple of green peppers remember at al’s you could have it mild or hot and the mild was green peppers then tell me how you like it. I used to order the beef mix from there supplier. the rub is important there is a beef powder mixture in the seasoning.
Trying this recipe now. I like that you don’t use beef bouillon cube. I know a lot of people say that this is needed for an “authentic” recipe. But I sometimes wonder, if the person that put this together used a bouillon cube for simplicity to impart the flavor, and if given the choice would they rather use some sort of homemade stock. Anyway, we will probably never really know. I added some carrot, onion, and celery to my water to try to add a little bit more flavor.
Plus my roast was bigger 3.3lbs. So i made some other adjustments. Although, I am looking at the last cooking stage approaching 40 minutes for 130 degrees and the water is getting low so I am thinking I am going to have to add some more in order to have enough to submerse the meat in it. So I may go buy some bouillon just in case.