Digging into Deep-Dish

by Nick Kindelsperger on March 17, 2009

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I've made my peace with deep-dish.  It's not my favorite Chicago foodstuff (Chicago Dogs and Italian beefs are way ahead), nor does it come anywhere close to the odd ethereal perfection that New York pizza can occasionally attain (sorry!).  As Anthony Bourdain rightly pointed out on his recent Chicago episode, the two don't have much in common.  But that doesn't mean that deep-dish isn't delicious, as anyone who sets foot in Pequod's must come to realize.

I am completely astonished by how balanced this pizza is. The crust isn't an impenetrable barrier of rock hard dough, and instead fells more layered and flaky, almost like a biscuit. The sauce is bright and just slightly sweet. And then, the best part: the edge is lined with cheese turns caramelized, crispy, and nearly jet black in the oven. This crust is about the tastiest bite I've had in months.

I've been thinking a lot about this recently. Though I live a mile from Pequod's and could head over there any day of the week, I've been trying to stay in and save money.  I've been satisfying my pizza cravings by making pies under my broiler using the Pizza Hack method Blake and I wrote about long ago on Serious Eats.  The pies are great, and incredibly cheap, but never quite as good as New York pizza can be.  And that's fine.  New York pizzas generally cook at temperatures over 800 degrees, which is far hotter than my regular oven could reach.  I cheat a little, utilizing an upturned iron skillet and a broiler.  It does the job.  

But I got to wondering, what about deep-dish at home?  My mind started racing when I thought of this.  Deep-dish is cooked at a reasonable temperature that my ancient oven can attain.  The rest is just ingredients and technique.  Gasp...Not only could I make deep-dish at home, but could I make one that was better than what they serve at all of the restaurants?  

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Or at least, that was my hunch.  I searched for a long time and finally settled on this recipe from pizzamaking.com.  Deep-dish dough is very different from its thin crust counterpart. The crust has a healthy dose of cornmeal, which gives it an interesting crunch and texture.  All the elements seemed to be here.  I tracked down some tomatoes, cheese, and even decided to add some spinach (an addition that has worked well in other deep-dishes I have had). 

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As you can see, I think I was a little too cocky.  Obviously, my first pie was wet. I probably put way too much sauce on and the middle of the crust gave out.  The flavor was decent, but nothing approaching Pequod's. 

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For my second pie, I used far less sauce and cheese, and removed the spinach all together.  It was much better.  The crust held up and the flavor was good.  But still, something was dearly missing.  For one thing, the crust was too blonde.  The best deep-dish pizzas tend to get some color on the crust from interacting with the pan.  Obviously I wasn't expecting Pequod's incredible crust because I didn't line the edges with cheese, but still.  I wanted some kind of color.   

I plunged further into message boards and online articles.  Information started morphing into myth.  My head got cloudy and clogged.  I nearly gave up.  My problems were seemingly endless. 

Perhaps I need one of those pizza pans, instead of my 10-inch iron skillet.  Everyone else was using them.  Or it could be the sauce. I just had a regular can of whole tomatoes. But I keep seeing the brand 6 in 1 mentioned.  Their flavor and texture might have been different. 

Though I haven't seen many recipes showcasing this, it could be that I didn't parbake the crust. I actually saw this mentioned on Wikipedia.  That would certainly help the crust set up and not disintegrate when toppings were dumped on top.  Some people also recommended letting the crust have a slow rise in the refrigerator overnight instead of the relatively quick one I had on the counter.

But I'm convinced it's the ingredients of the crust. Even the pie with less ingredients tasted too dense.  I keep coming back to that flaky crust, one that is layered and strong. What honestly comes to mind is not pizza pie, but baking pie. During the searching I came across this brief mention in Chowhound where someone mentions that nearly every place uses shortening in the crust. It's sounds like the perfect next step.  Now, all I need is a recipe...

The recipe listed below is fine.  Especially if you go light on the sauce.  It's a good first try.  But I'm moving on. 

Deep-Dish 1st Round

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Dough:

  • 3 1/2 cups all purpose flour
  • 1 1/2 cups water
  • 1/2 cup yellow cornmeal
  • 1 teaspoon sugar
  • 1 teaspoon salt
  • 1/4 ounce active dry yeast
  • 1/2 cup Canola oil

Sauce:

  • 1 28-ounce can crushed tomatoes
  • 2 tablespoon Parmesan cheese
  • 1 tablespoon Italian herbs

Toppings:

  • 1 ball of dried Mozzarella
  • handful of frozen spinach
  • Pamesan cheese
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Toss the flour, water, cornmeal, sugar, salt, and yeast in a large mixing bowl.  Attach the dough hook to the Kitchen aid.  Mix on a low speed until roughly combined, about 2 minutes.  

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Slowly drip in the canola oil.  Mix for 7 more minutes until it is a a shiny ball.  If you don't have a Kitchen Aid, it's okay.  Just mix all the ingredients in a large bowl and mix the ingredients around with your hands.  Then knead the ball until it becomes shiny and smooth. 

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Pour a little bit of oil into a large bowl, and coat the sides and bottom.  Then dump in the ball of dough and cover with plastic.  Let sit on the counter for a few hours until it doubles in size.

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Meanwhile, mix together the tomatoes, herbs and cheese.  It's pretty easy. 

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Brush an iron skillet or pizza pan with about a tablespoon of Canola oil. 

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Remove the dough from the bowl and gently pat it down.  Form it roughly into the of the pan.  Unlike regular pizza, it doesn't need to be tossed around stretched.  It's good to go. 

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Drop it into the pan.  Crimp the edges around the sides. If any dough is sticking too far out, just remove it. 

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First spread a layer of cheese.  Don't be shy.

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Spread any toppings on next.  I used spinach.  Though you could use some of my freshly made Italian sausage

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Ladle on some of the sauce, though I would use less than I did here.  Top with a sprinkling of Parmesan. 

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Place in a preheated oven set at 450 degrees.  Cook for 25 or minutes or until the edges start to brown.  Let it rest for at least 5 minutes before digging in. 

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ChicagoKid March 17, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Not sure if you're a fan of America's Test Kitchen, however I do have their book "Best Recipes" which contains a lot of scientific experimenting to understand how different ingredients affect the final product.

In their deep dish pizza dough recipe, they added a medium grated boiled potato which for some reason improves the flakiness of the crust, or holds the crust up better, not sure which. I'll have to get back to my apartment to check exactly what they recommend, as I don't remember off the top of my head.

The recipe that I've used and recommend is here:
http://vicariousfoodie.blogspot.com/2008/06/deep-dish-sausage-and-tomato-pizza.html

Not as much a flaky layer crust, but pretty good standard crust for deep dish.

The flakiness that you're looking for reminds me of what making crossaints attempts to accomplish (lots of flaky layers). If this is the case, you may need to create a separate "fat block" of sorts to incorpoate into a standard dough and then fold over multiple times to create the layers. Then the dough has to be cold entering into the oven so that the heat can melt the fat (Crisco perhaps) and make airy layers. It's all just theory right now though…

katiek March 17, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Very impressed… I have only tried to make the thin crust style.

In SF, we have the Little Star Pizza for deep dish. Surprisingly they use butter in their crust, which I only found out after inviting a vegan along to dine… ooops. He sat there miserable while we all devoured the pizza.

Butter in the crust makes it super rich, but undeniably addictive.

Nick Kindelsperger March 17, 2009 at 4:16 pm

ChicagoKid: That's fascinating about the potato. I need to look into that.

The croissant reference is apt. Though I just can't see these places taking the time and care to make it happen. Perhaps I could, though.

katiek: There are a lot of mentions of a "butter crust" in Chicago, but not many recipes. Lou Malnati's here in Chicago is the most famous purveyor of it. Thought that's one place I have never been…

art March 17, 2009 at 6:33 pm

Looks good!

I actually believe that the home made version is better than the one you get at the restaurant. I think the opposite is true for thin crust though.

I blogged it about here:

http://thepleasanthouse.com/2009/02/17/chicago-style-deep-dish-stuffed-pizza-childs-play/

@katiek, try Zachary's in Oakland if you are a fan of deep dish. Pretty darn good!

Scott March 18, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Try lining the entire bottom of the pizza with sliced sheets of mozzarella. This creates a barrier between the sauce and other ingredients and the crust. I thought it was a given that this was the method for Chicago style deep dish.

Nick Kindelsperger March 18, 2009 at 4:27 pm

art: I completely agree. Thin crust is hard. Hopefully I can get this deep-dish sorted out.

Scott: I think you're right. I'm still in thin crust pizza making mode.

Amanda from Mrs.W's Kitchen March 19, 2009 at 10:32 am

Aah, yes. It looks lovely. And you've got it right–as long as you look at it as a completely different animal, you can enjoy it without comparing to that other, NY-style pizza.

That's the conclusion I came to about our local "tomato pie." I thought it should be like pizza. It looked like pizza, but certainly didn't taste like it. Once I decided it wasn't supposed to be pizza at all–then I could enjoy it.

Great article.

Beth March 19, 2009 at 11:22 am

There's a great pizza cookbook called "American Pie" by bread artisan Peter Einhart. In it, he goes on a quest for the perfect pizza, sampling pies from all over the world and providing recipes for different types of pizzas, doughs, sauces, etc. Included is a step-by-step for Chicago deep-dish pizza and stuffed pizza. Also New York-style and tons more. It's an entertaining, mouthwatering read and the recipes are excellent. I'm a thin crust and focaccia fan and love his recipes for those.

Alex March 19, 2009 at 5:22 pm

I think the trick is going to be treating it like a pie crust–which is going to mean cutting in shortening. The oil will never give you a flaky crust, because the flakes are caused by the fat remaining somewhat coarse and cooking in pieces and layers. Oil is great for a light cake batter–but never for a flaky pie crust.

Jan van Goyen March 19, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Parbake the crust. This may be a cheat but once you make a few this way then you find away to do without pre-baking the crust

I pre-bake the crust for 10 minutes

Hillary March 20, 2009 at 10:48 am

Nick, my boyfriend's roommates makes a similar pizza. It's one of the best Chicago pizzas I've ever tasted – and that says a lot considering he is from St. Louis. Here is how to make it.

Ross Donaldson March 20, 2009 at 7:08 pm

Beth: not to nit-pick, but: Peter Reinhart is the author of American Pie — which is a pretty snappy book!

I feel like the secret to really enjoying pizza is the same as roasted chicken: many different preparations, each with their own magic. A good New York pizza is a thing of magic, but so is the almost-dry stuff they serve in Florence, or the astonishingly good stuff in Naples.

I also thought I'd throw in my hat for the "parbake" suggestion. Pizzeria Uno (I know, I know, it's a huge freaking chain) parbakes the crust with a *lot* of olive oil before much else happens. I really think it helps. Also consider how much water spinach lets go of when it heats — you might want to blanch or saute your greens before adding them.

Are you moving on… to more deep-dish pizza? I'd be interested to see where you get with this.

unconfidentialcook March 21, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Very impressive! I just dial loutogo. Lazy me.

Nick Kindelsperger March 23, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Amanda from Mrs.W's Kitchen: Yeah, I'm surprised how little the two actually have in common.

Beth: I'll have to check that out. I have a lot to learn about bread.

Alex: Exactly. Now, the question is: does anyone have a recipe for a shortening crust?

Nick Kindelsperger March 23, 2009 at 2:26 pm

Jan van Goyen: I think prebaking makes a lot of sense. Maybe if it started at a higher temperature and then was reduced when the ingredients were added.

Hillary: Thanks for showing me that. It looks better than mine.

Ross Donaldson: I'm getting to it! I think parbaking the crust will really help, but I'm still worried about the texture of the crust. You're absolutely right about the spinach, I'm sure it watered down the crust. It was actually Uno's that gave me the idea to use spinach. Their ricotta and spinach pie is delicious.

Ross Donaldson March 23, 2009 at 4:06 pm

Nick,

Excellent. Glad to hear you're looking in to it! I'm eager to see your results.

If I recall correctly, Uno takes a crust, parbakes for a bit, then layers in the cheese, bakes -again-, then does the sauce mixed with toppings to finish it off. By the time it's done, the crust has had almost 25 minutes of solo baking time, plus another twenty of filled time.

Of course, I live nowhere near Chicago; I'll sound the sirens if a decent Chicago-style pizzeria opens in Seattle, but I'm not holding my breath.

Thanks again for your time!

jen March 26, 2009 at 11:27 am

a second minor nit-pick:
pequod's is really more of a pan pizza (thick crust on the bottom) with the ingredients in reverse on top like a deep dish. i'm not sure i would call it true deep dish as you have made, or as stuffed pizza, as both of those have a thinner crust with high sides and loaded with toppings on the inside… like a pie?

either way, looks good and the suggestions for a flakier/crispier crust above seem righton. can't wait for an updated post on a modified crust!

Mike March 30, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Nick, first I'm sorry I didn't find you guys when you were here in Columbus. I love your blog, and you've inspired me to make this and sausage/hot dogs.

I recently took a stab at this and it came out great. Here's my suggestions;

I think the best I can add is making a top crust and putting the sauce on top of that. I used your recipe with butter instead of canola oil and made a functional top crust which I put in between the cheese and the sauce. I also used a lot more cheese then you did, 8 oz dried mozz and 4 small balls wet. I might add even more dry in the next run. Basil and Pepperoni were my stuffing. It came out great and stood up perfectly, not mushy or sloppy at all.

Cooked at 425 for 45 minutes…

p.s. please blog more…

Emanuel June 13, 2009 at 11:29 pm

I just decided today to make deep dish pizza. I was in Chicago a week ago and tried to get DDP from Gino’s East, but had to settle for Giordanos (sp?). It was terrible. The crust tasted like it was just flour, water and yeast (I think I almost get Gino’s East for the crust).
I found this recipe: http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,161,152187-245202,00.html

The only thing I really needed was the crust recipe. I used 2 square cake pans(nothing special), and the toppings were mushrooms, spinach, tomatoes, vegan italian sausage, vegan cheese and onions (all seasoned(fresh garlic, Mr’s Dash Garlic and Herb, Seasoned Salt, Dill, Salt, Ground Thyme, Black Pepper, pinch of Cayenne Pepper ) and and sauted – I’m a little bit of a chef, so I improvise a lot).
For the sauce, I used Ragu Chunky Garden Combination (yes, spagetti sauce – I like it because it has lots of chunky veggies. Also further cooked and seasoned (many similar to above, along with a touch of sugar – this should all be done to taste)).
When it was just out the oven, it was loose(wet), but when it cooled(that’s the secret! – let it cool a little, the cheese is not as stringy and the sauce chunks up a bit), it looked more familiar. It was very tasty and closer to Gino’s East crust I love than that Giordanos crap I had. I’m making it again tomorrow and may add either some corn starch or flour mixed with water to the sauce when cooking it (to make it bake thicker).

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